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Alt 31.01.2007, 21:56
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Some members here are dreaming of that trek.

So we will collect all info about it here.
And since we have Imranthetrekker as member here, he may add his knowledge on the region. And also any other visitor to this remote area.

My questions:

- How far reaches the trail? Up to Lasht or more far? And in the Chapursan valley up to Baba Ghundi?

- On the trek - are there any villages or hamlets or only nomads (and smugglers?).

- The glaciers require ice equipement - crampons and ice axe - or are sticks sufficient?

- What time is needed for the trek?

- From Boroghil Pass - is descending to Afghanistan to Sarhad allowed and what formal permits are required? Is it possible to cross back to Pakistan over the Irshad Pass?

- Are there some peaks around this trek? Which and what difficulty?

These are the questions just for the beginning. Some more will raise certainly.

Agog on answers

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Alt 01.02.2007, 07:15
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... check out this FLASH website (have patience! ) for outstanding pictures...
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Click: "INDEX" >>> "HINDU KUSH"
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Alt 01.02.2007, 20:52
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WOW - these pics are sheer madness. Hold me tight - I wanna go tomorrow. Who comes along with me?
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Alt 02.02.2007, 15:15
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Salut mes amis,


It's one of the most famous routes, by Steve Razetti (KE outbound Britian, and Hindukush trails inbound Pakistan), when they used to take the Bristish groups from Islamabad, Peshawar, Awat. Chitral, Yarkhoon lasht, Boroghil, Karombar pass and lake, and from Sughtar abad, it takes a turn just opposite warghut camp, towards high camp and then crossing the pass 5280 m, to Ziarat Baba Ghundi in Chapursan valley.
Somewhere it's across and somewhere parallel to Wakhan corridor on both sides of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
I did it twice in 2006, not towards Chlingi pass, in Karombar and Boroghil valleys, and taking a turn towards Darkhote valley of Yasin, in Hindukush, started from Islamabad to Gilgit and Hunza and then to Ishkoman valley, almost 4 weeks itineray, if it turns towards Chitral and Kalash valleys then it's more enjoyable.
There're 2 passes to Afghanistan, Darwaza pass and Boroghil pass, en route but sometimes there's security abd better no to attempt any pass, furthermore, there're many virgin peaks, likewise Chikar peak, and many other nameless but I like one most, I named it last year, Piakhin tower, an excellent mountain, for rock climbers, close to Warghut camp.




Actually, the whole area's like high pastures, mostly you'll see the Wakhi shepherds, speaking Khowar and Wakhi in the area with their livestocks (Yaks, cows, sheep etc.).
For Chilinji pass, you'd need gear like crampons, rope and ice axes etc. as I heard from my other friends, who did this trek numerous times.


Je vous souhaite un voyage tres agreable.


Imran Schah
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Alt 02.02.2007, 21:33
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Bonsoir,


Zitat:
Zitat von imranthetrekker
There're 2 passes to Afghanistan, Darwaza pass and Boroghil pass, en route but sometimes there's security abd better no to attempt any pass
Is it legal to cross the passes and which permits are required? How long will it last to obtain permission?

What is the best time for this trek?

Haw many porter are needed for - lets say 4 - 5 trekkers?

And trailheads are Lasht and Baba Gundhi?

Et maintenant une bonne nuite!

phacops

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Itinerary KE Adventure:
http://www.keadventure.com/trip/deta...rary.php?r=306
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Brief Day to Day Itinerary (25 Days)

Day 1. The group flight departs from London, Heathrow Airport in the afternoon.
Day 2. Arriving at Islamabad Airport in the early morning, we meet a representative of our local agent and transfer to the group hotel in Rawalpindi for breakfast. Free day.
Day 3. Setting off on the drive to Chitral, we cross the plains and then cross the Malakand Pass and Lowari passes, to our overnight stop at Ayun Fort, now a hotel.
Day 4. After just an hour's drive, we reach Chitral and check in to our comfortable hotel. The rest of the day is free to explore the streets and bazaars of this historic town.
Day 5. Driving north beside the Mastuj River, we turn into the Turikho Valley, with superb views of Tirich Mir and Buni Zom. We camp at the village of Zang Lasht.
Day 6. A final morning's drive takes us to Rua, the highest village in the Turikho Valley. The long approach to the start of our trek underlines the remoteness of this area.
Day 7. Trekking into a wild landscape, we enter the gorge of the Shah Jinali Gol and cross it via a natural rock bridge, before climb to a level camp at 3200 metres.
Day 8. An easy trek today, through the idyllic upper Shah Jinali Valley. We set up camp opposite the Ochhili Pass which leads into Afghanistan. Afternoon free.
Day 9. A good shepherd's trail leads over the Shah Jinali Pass (4215m.), with views of the Hindu Raj peaks. Descend to camp below the summer settlement of Isperu Dok.
Day 10. Today, we descend into the Yarkhun Valley and traverse above the river to the village of Lasht, a remote outpost of the Chitrali Scouts. Meadow campsite.
Day 11. We leave the green and irrigated lower valley and cross a series of spurs, following the river to our next camp at Kishmanja.
Day 12. Great views of Koyozom as we climb up above Vidinkot. The icefall of the Darkot Glacier is also very impressive, as we skirt around it to camp at Ishkarwarz.
Day 13. We traverse a landscape of grass-covered sand dunes and snow-capped peaks, to our camp at Showar Shar, summer home to Tadjik and Wakhi herdsmen.
Day 14. This high grassland supports herds of sheep, goats and even some camels. We spend a rest day here and have the chance to visit the herders camps.
Day 15. Today, we trek up onto the Karumbar-An (4300m.) which is topped by several lakes. From our camp on this pass, the views extend to the Karakoram peaks.
Day 16. Descending into the Karumbar Valley, we trek through the rich grazing land of the people of Ishkoman. We camp at the summer settlement of Shunj.
Day 17. The first obstacle today is the Chatteboi Glacier, which we have to cross, before continuing to Sokhta Robat, where the Karumbar River issues from beneath a glacier.
Day 18. Today, we approach the Chilinji Glacier and the peak of Koz Sar. After crossing the Karumbar River on a jola bridge, we camp within sight of the Chilinji Pass.
Day 19. A tough 4 to 5 hours ascent across scree and rocky ridges, leads to our high camp at 4800 metres. Superb views of Koz Sar and the distant Karakoram peaks.
Day 20. An early start for the climb across scree and then snow to the Chilinji Pass (5200m.). After admiring the view, we descend to a camp at Buattar.
Day 21. Descending the remote upper Chapursan Valley, we reach the Moslem shrine at to Baba Ghundi Ziarat and camp nearby.
Day 22. Today, we trek out to the roadhead and meet our transport for the drive out of Chapursan and into the Hunza Valley. Overnight in a hotel at Karimabad.
Day 23. Back on the Karakoram Highway for the drive through Gilgit to our hotel in Chilas. Simply amazing views today, of Rakaposhi and then of Nanga Parbat.
Day 24. We complete our drive back to Rawalpindi, following the mighty Indus River. Overnight at the group hotel in Rawalpindi.
Day 25. We have an early group transfer to the airport. The group flight back to the UK departs from Islamabad in the morning, arriving in the UK later the same day.
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Alt 03.02.2007, 09:36
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Die zugehörige Karte gibts natürlich auch.
Ingrid hat in einem anderen thread darauf hingewisen:

Zitat:
Zitat von Ingrid

Der Maßstab ist schon 1:500.000, die Karte gibt es zu kaufen, sie ist bekannt als "Gecko Map" bzw. "Hauser Map",
sie umfaßt den ganzen Wakhan Korridor. Und natürlich ganz Pamirs.
ISBN: 3-906593-35-5
13,80 Euro,
http://www.geckomaps.com/d/Pamir_Map_e.html


und umfaßt natürlich auch das angrenzende pakistanische Gebiet.
(Frage an Gecko Map bzw den Markus Hauser, wann die weiter angrenzenden pakistanischen Gebiete auf Karte erscheinen?).

phacops

Oh sorry, I choose english here, so lets stick to this language.
There is of course the appropriate map. Ingrid mentioned it in another thread. The quote above includes the link.
The map shows the Wakhan, the Pamirs and the bordering pakistan area.
(I wonder, when Gecko or Markus Hauser will edit a map with the adjoining pakistan area to the south?).

ph.

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Alt 03.02.2007, 14:09
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Salut mes amis,

This itinerary's located in restricted zone, due to its border location, as a result, a permit's issued from the ministry of tourism, Islamabad, within a week ot 2, through some reputable trekking expedition agencies, based in Pakistan, with a tour leader and other arrngements.

Andreas's given a brief detail of the itnerary, but let me make another thing clear here, that few years back, Hindukush trail (Chitral based trekking mountain agnecy), changed the starting point from Lasht to Blihanz camp or matrumdan camp in Ishkoman valley of Yasin in north Pakistan, due to availibility and cost of porters, bacuase the tour leaders from different agencies had started facing troubles with the porters from Yarkhoon lasht.


A bien tot,

Imran Schah

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Alt 03.02.2007, 20:55
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Bonsoir aussi aujourdhui,

thanks Imran for your comment


Zitat:
Zitat von imranthetrekker
few years back, Hindukush trail (Chitral based trekking mountain agnecy), changed the starting point from Lasht to Blihanz camp or matrumdan camp in Ishkoman valley of Yasin in north Pakistan, due to availibility and cost of porters, bacuase the tour leaders from different agencies had started facing troubles with the porters from Yarkhoon lasht.
Does this mean, that the trek starts better from Gilgit than from Chitral?
And trailhead is at Bort or Bilhanz?
And how´s the itinerary? West of the Chilinji over into Wakhan? and back across Broghil and further to Darkot (roadhead?)? Crossing the border is (officially?) tolerated? Or are permits needed?

Is there any possibility to reach Bozai Gumbez? Or even the Aksu/Oxus source?

You see, there are more and more questions raising.

A bientot et merci

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Alt 04.02.2007, 16:13
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Salut mon ami,

If the itinerary only includes Wakhan corridor, Chatti boi glacier, karombar lake & pass, and comes to an end at Yarkhoon valley or turns towards Darkhote high camp and pass to Yasin valley, then better to start from Bilhanz or Matrumdan because a jeepable road's been built till Matrumdan but unfortuanetly usually close to Bilhanz there's much water in the rivulet and it's inundated, as a result, you'll have to camp at Bilhanz.

But if Chilinji pass's in the plan then you better to start from Chitral to Rua (Torkhow valley) and after making Shah Jinali pass, descend to Yarkhoon valley and from Lasht start the trek, that's the best way.

Border crossing's not allowed but after probing into the matter, asking from the locals in Lashkargaz camp, we crosses Darwarza pass, that day, no security's there so it took almost 5, 6 hrs back to the camp but neither there're any permits nor any official check point but it's illegal to cross it.

I welcome your queries,

Imran Schah.




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Alt 08.02.2007, 22:38
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Zitat:
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Border crossing's not allowed but after probing into the matter, asking from the locals in Lashkargaz camp, we crosses Darwarza pass, that day, no security's there so it took almost 5, 6 hrs back to the camp but neither there're any permits nor any official check point but it's illegal to cross it.




Thanks Imran.

So if the trek should include a legal border crossing and a visit in the Wakhan and to the Oxus source, the process described by John Mock
(http://www.mockandoneil.com/wakhan.htm)
has necessarily to be done. That requires a lot of time and an agency I suppose.

Are there many trekkers per year in the pakistan area of Chilinji Pass to Chapursan?

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Alt 11.02.2007, 16:04
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Salam mes amis,

Not many for Chillinji, Chapursan trek but enough for Ishkoman to Kishmanja (Yarkhoon) and Darkhote pass to Yasin valley.

Some agencies in Pakistan, their guides''ve specialised in these itineraries, Ali Khan (Royal prince from Chitral) a very experienced trekking mountain guide for Chillinji pass from Hindukush Trails, from Chitral.


A bien tot,

Imran Schah
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Alt 11.02.2007, 17:29
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Zitat:
Zitat von imranthetrekker
Ali Khan (Royal prince from Chitral) a very experienced trekking mountain guide for Chillinji pass from Hindukush Trails, from Chitral.
Thanks Imran,

the famous agency Hindukush Trails of course, its well known.
Do they organize officially treks to the Wakhan and to the oxus source with all the burocratic efforts to get the permissions for legal border crossing?

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G'day there,

Actually i came from upper Hunza and make this famous trip through Wakhan corridor to Afghanistan and back to Chitral before 9/11 crossing this pass was not allowed but we took the all Japanes TV crew with a famous star Tsura Ta mai san.
but not any more.
there is guy called Allam jan from Chipurson who is from Chipurson valley and he works with John Mock for Lonley planet he know the area better.
he does alots of trip to Wakhan area as well.
i am at the moment out of the country could not get into contact with him but when even will get some more info for you guys.

keep traveling and have a great fun.

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Bonjour mes amis,

Yeah!they're very skilled and one of the leading agencies in Pakistan, who've got groups for Wakhan corridor, Chilinji pass, Darkhote pass and towards Lasht and most of the treks in north Pakistan and Chitral.

Phacops, my friend, going across Darwaza pass and Boroghil pass into Afghanistan's illegal, that's not an official entry or exit point, towards river Oxus, you can make it when no one's on the border, I mean security, as I did once this year in August.

I've been to Afghanistan many times, with a valid visa, sometimes without but I prefer to be with a visa, that's very convenient and safe.

je vous souhaite un voyage tres agreable,

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