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phacops
31.01.2007, 22:56
Some members here are dreaming of that trek.

So we will collect all info about it here.
And since we have Imranthetrekker as member here, he may add his knowledge on the region. And also any other visitor to this remote area.

My questions:

- How far reaches the trail? Up to Lasht or more far? And in the Chapursan valley up to Baba Ghundi?

- On the trek - are there any villages or hamlets or only nomads (and smugglers?).

- The glaciers require ice equipement - crampons and ice axe - or are sticks sufficient?

- What time is needed for the trek?

- From Boroghil Pass - is descending to Afghanistan to Sarhad allowed and what formal permits are required? Is it possible to cross back to Pakistan over the Irshad Pass?

- Are there some peaks around this trek? Which and what difficulty?

These are the questions just for the beginning. Some more will raise certainly.

Agog on answers

phacops

AndreasW
01.02.2007, 08:15
... check out this FLASH website (have patience! ;)) for outstanding pictures... :up:
http://www.razzetti.com/

Click: "INDEX" >>> "HINDU KUSH"

phacops
01.02.2007, 21:52
WOW - these pics are sheer madness. Hold me tight - I wanna go tomorrow. Who comes along with me?
phacops

imranthetrekker
02.02.2007, 16:15
Salut mes amis,


It's one of the most famous routes, by Steve Razetti (KE outbound Britian, and Hindukush trails inbound Pakistan), when they used to take the Bristish groups from Islamabad, Peshawar, Awat. Chitral, Yarkhoon lasht, Boroghil, Karombar pass and lake, and from Sughtar abad, it takes a turn just opposite warghut camp, towards high camp and then crossing the pass 5280 m, to Ziarat Baba Ghundi in Chapursan valley.
Somewhere it's across and somewhere parallel to Wakhan corridor on both sides of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
I did it twice in 2006, not towards Chlingi pass, in Karombar and Boroghil valleys, and taking a turn towards Darkhote valley of Yasin, in Hindukush, started from Islamabad to Gilgit and Hunza and then to Ishkoman valley, almost 4 weeks itineray, if it turns towards Chitral and Kalash valleys then it's more enjoyable.
There're 2 passes to Afghanistan, Darwaza pass and Boroghil pass, en route but sometimes there's security abd better no to attempt any pass, furthermore, there're many virgin peaks, likewise Chikar peak, and many other nameless but I like one most, I named it last year, Piakhin tower, an excellent mountain, for rock climbers, close to Warghut camp.




Actually, the whole area's like high pastures, mostly you'll see the Wakhi shepherds, speaking Khowar and Wakhi in the area with their livestocks (Yaks, cows, sheep etc.).
For Chilinji pass, you'd need gear like crampons, rope and ice axes etc. as I heard from my other friends, who did this trek numerous times.


Je vous souhaite un voyage tres agreable.


Imran Schah

phacops
02.02.2007, 22:33
Bonsoir,


There're 2 passes to Afghanistan, Darwaza pass and Boroghil pass, en route but sometimes there's security abd better no to attempt any pass

Is it legal to cross the passes and which permits are required? How long will it last to obtain permission?

What is the best time for this trek?

Haw many porter are needed for - lets say 4 - 5 trekkers?

And trailheads are Lasht and Baba Gundhi?

Et maintenant une bonne nuite!

phacops

AndreasW
03.02.2007, 07:15
Itinerary KE Adventure:
http://www.keadventure.com/trip/details/itinerary.php?r=306
Brief Day to Day Itinerary (25 Days)

Day 1. The group flight departs from London, Heathrow Airport in the afternoon.
Day 2. Arriving at Islamabad Airport in the early morning, we meet a representative of our local agent and transfer to the group hotel in Rawalpindi for breakfast. Free day.
Day 3. Setting off on the drive to Chitral, we cross the plains and then cross the Malakand Pass and Lowari passes, to our overnight stop at Ayun Fort, now a hotel.
Day 4. After just an hour's drive, we reach Chitral and check in to our comfortable hotel. The rest of the day is free to explore the streets and bazaars of this historic town.
Day 5. Driving north beside the Mastuj River, we turn into the Turikho Valley, with superb views of Tirich Mir and Buni Zom. We camp at the village of Zang Lasht.
Day 6. A final morning's drive takes us to Rua, the highest village in the Turikho Valley. The long approach to the start of our trek underlines the remoteness of this area.
Day 7. Trekking into a wild landscape, we enter the gorge of the Shah Jinali Gol and cross it via a natural rock bridge, before climb to a level camp at 3200 metres.
Day 8. An easy trek today, through the idyllic upper Shah Jinali Valley. We set up camp opposite the Ochhili Pass which leads into Afghanistan. Afternoon free.
Day 9. A good shepherd's trail leads over the Shah Jinali Pass (4215m.), with views of the Hindu Raj peaks. Descend to camp below the summer settlement of Isperu Dok.
Day 10. Today, we descend into the Yarkhun Valley and traverse above the river to the village of Lasht, a remote outpost of the Chitrali Scouts. Meadow campsite.
Day 11. We leave the green and irrigated lower valley and cross a series of spurs, following the river to our next camp at Kishmanja.
Day 12. Great views of Koyozom as we climb up above Vidinkot. The icefall of the Darkot Glacier is also very impressive, as we skirt around it to camp at Ishkarwarz.
Day 13. We traverse a landscape of grass-covered sand dunes and snow-capped peaks, to our camp at Showar Shar, summer home to Tadjik and Wakhi herdsmen.
Day 14. This high grassland supports herds of sheep, goats and even some camels. We spend a rest day here and have the chance to visit the herders camps.
Day 15. Today, we trek up onto the Karumbar-An (4300m.) which is topped by several lakes. From our camp on this pass, the views extend to the Karakoram peaks.
Day 16. Descending into the Karumbar Valley, we trek through the rich grazing land of the people of Ishkoman. We camp at the summer settlement of Shunj.
Day 17. The first obstacle today is the Chatteboi Glacier, which we have to cross, before continuing to Sokhta Robat, where the Karumbar River issues from beneath a glacier.
Day 18. Today, we approach the Chilinji Glacier and the peak of Koz Sar. After crossing the Karumbar River on a jola bridge, we camp within sight of the Chilinji Pass.
Day 19. A tough 4 to 5 hours ascent across scree and rocky ridges, leads to our high camp at 4800 metres. Superb views of Koz Sar and the distant Karakoram peaks.
Day 20. An early start for the climb across scree and then snow to the Chilinji Pass (5200m.). After admiring the view, we descend to a camp at Buattar.
Day 21. Descending the remote upper Chapursan Valley, we reach the Moslem shrine at to Baba Ghundi Ziarat and camp nearby.
Day 22. Today, we trek out to the roadhead and meet our transport for the drive out of Chapursan and into the Hunza Valley. Overnight in a hotel at Karimabad.
Day 23. Back on the Karakoram Highway for the drive through Gilgit to our hotel in Chilas. Simply amazing views today, of Rakaposhi and then of Nanga Parbat.
Day 24. We complete our drive back to Rawalpindi, following the mighty Indus River. Overnight at the group hotel in Rawalpindi.
Day 25. We have an early group transfer to the airport. The group flight back to the UK departs from Islamabad in the morning, arriving in the UK later the same day.

phacops
03.02.2007, 10:36
Die zugehörige Karte gibts natürlich auch.
Ingrid hat in einem anderen thread darauf hingewisen:



Der Maßstab ist schon 1:500.000, die Karte gibt es zu kaufen, sie ist bekannt als "Gecko Map" bzw. "Hauser Map",
sie umfaßt den ganzen Wakhan Korridor. Und natürlich ganz Pamirs.
ISBN: 3-906593-35-5
13,80 Euro,
http://www.geckomaps.com/d/Pamir_Map_e.html

und umfaßt natürlich auch das angrenzende pakistanische Gebiet.
(Frage an Gecko Map bzw den Markus Hauser, wann die weiter angrenzenden pakistanischen Gebiete auf Karte erscheinen?).

phacops

Oh sorry, I choose english here, so lets stick to this language.
There is of course the appropriate map. Ingrid mentioned it in another thread. The quote above includes the link.
The map shows the Wakhan, the Pamirs and the bordering pakistan area.
(I wonder, when Gecko or Markus Hauser will edit a map with the adjoining pakistan area to the south?).

ph.

imranthetrekker
03.02.2007, 15:09
Salut mes amis,

This itinerary's located in restricted zone, due to its border location, as a result, a permit's issued from the ministry of tourism, Islamabad, within a week ot 2, through some reputable trekking expedition agencies, based in Pakistan, with a tour leader and other arrngements.

Andreas's given a brief detail of the itnerary, but let me make another thing clear here, that few years back, Hindukush trail (Chitral based trekking mountain agnecy), changed the starting point from Lasht to Blihanz camp or matrumdan camp in Ishkoman valley of Yasin in north Pakistan, due to availibility and cost of porters, bacuase the tour leaders from different agencies had started facing troubles with the porters from Yarkhoon lasht.


A bien tot,

Imran Schah

phacops
03.02.2007, 21:55
Bonsoir aussi aujourdhui,

thanks Imran for your comment


few years back, Hindukush trail (Chitral based trekking mountain agnecy), changed the starting point from Lasht to Blihanz camp or matrumdan camp in Ishkoman valley of Yasin in north Pakistan, due to availibility and cost of porters, bacuase the tour leaders from different agencies had started facing troubles with the porters from Yarkhoon lasht.



Does this mean, that the trek starts better from Gilgit than from Chitral?
And trailhead is at Bort or Bilhanz?
And how´s the itinerary? West of the Chilinji over into Wakhan? and back across Broghil and further to Darkot (roadhead?)? Crossing the border is (officially?) tolerated? Or are permits needed?

Is there any possibility to reach Bozai Gumbez? Or even the Aksu/Oxus source?

You see, there are more and more questions raising.

A bientot et merci

phacops

imranthetrekker
04.02.2007, 17:13
Salut mon ami,

If the itinerary only includes Wakhan corridor, Chatti boi glacier, karombar lake & pass, and comes to an end at Yarkhoon valley or turns towards Darkhote high camp and pass to Yasin valley, then better to start from Bilhanz or Matrumdan because a jeepable road's been built till Matrumdan but unfortuanetly usually close to Bilhanz there's much water in the rivulet and it's inundated, as a result, you'll have to camp at Bilhanz.

But if Chilinji pass's in the plan then you better to start from Chitral to Rua (Torkhow valley) and after making Shah Jinali pass, descend to Yarkhoon valley and from Lasht start the trek, that's the best way.

Border crossing's not allowed but after probing into the matter, asking from the locals in Lashkargaz camp, we crosses Darwarza pass, that day, no security's there so it took almost 5, 6 hrs back to the camp but neither there're any permits nor any official check point but it's illegal to cross it.

I welcome your queries,

Imran Schah.

phacops
08.02.2007, 23:38
Border crossing's not allowed but after probing into the matter, asking from the locals in Lashkargaz camp, we crosses Darwarza pass, that day, no security's there so it took almost 5, 6 hrs back to the camp but neither there're any permits nor any official check point but it's illegal to cross it.







Thanks Imran.

So if the trek should include a legal border crossing and a visit in the Wakhan and to the Oxus source, the process described by John Mock
(http://www.mockandoneil.com/wakhan.htm)
has necessarily to be done. That requires a lot of time and an agency I suppose.

Are there many trekkers per year in the pakistan area of Chilinji Pass to Chapursan?

phacops

imranthetrekker
11.02.2007, 17:04
Salam mes amis,

Not many for Chillinji, Chapursan trek but enough for Ishkoman to Kishmanja (Yarkhoon) and Darkhote pass to Yasin valley.

Some agencies in Pakistan, their guides''ve specialised in these itineraries, Ali Khan (Royal prince from Chitral) a very experienced trekking mountain guide for Chillinji pass from Hindukush Trails, from Chitral.


A bien tot,

Imran Schah

phacops
11.02.2007, 18:29
Ali Khan (Royal prince from Chitral) a very experienced trekking mountain guide for Chillinji pass from Hindukush Trails, from Chitral.



Thanks Imran,

the famous agency Hindukush Trails of course, its well known.
Do they organize officially treks to the Wakhan and to the oxus source with all the burocratic efforts to get the permissions for legal border crossing?

phacops

Hunza
12.02.2007, 15:24
G'day there,

Actually i came from upper Hunza and make this famous trip through Wakhan corridor to Afghanistan and back to Chitral before 9/11 crossing this pass was not allowed but we took the all Japanes TV crew with a famous star Tsura Ta mai san.
but not any more.
there is guy called Allam jan from Chipurson who is from Chipurson valley and he works with John Mock for Lonley planet he know the area better.
he does alots of trip to Wakhan area as well.
i am at the moment out of the country could not get into contact with him but when even will get some more info for you guys.

keep traveling and have a great fun.

Cheers Iman

imranthetrekker
12.02.2007, 18:32
Bonjour mes amis,

Yeah!they're very skilled and one of the leading agencies in Pakistan, who've got groups for Wakhan corridor, Chilinji pass, Darkhote pass and towards Lasht and most of the treks in north Pakistan and Chitral.

Phacops, my friend, going across Darwaza pass and Boroghil pass into Afghanistan's illegal, that's not an official entry or exit point, towards river Oxus, you can make it when no one's on the border, I mean security, as I did once this year in August.

I've been to Afghanistan many times, with a valid visa, sometimes without but I prefer to be with a visa, that's very convenient and safe.

je vous souhaite un voyage tres agreable,

Imran Schah

AndreasW
14.02.2007, 08:40
AMS Maps in high resolution... click here:

MASTUJ: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/india/nj-43-13.jpg
BALTIT: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/india/nj-43-14.jpg

imranthetrekker
18.02.2007, 19:18
Salam mes amis,

After spending a couple of days in kabul, Afghanistan, I'm here in Peshawar now, but let me tell you again that with a valid visa.

The best time of this trekking plan begins after the 15th of June till end of August, if the weather conditions remain promissing.


Ciao,

phacops
07.03.2007, 08:56
At this hint from Imran:
...there is guy called Allam jan from Chipurson who is from Chipurson valley and he works with John Mock for Lonley planet he know the area better.
he does alots of trip to Wakhan area as well.

I found Alam here:
http://www.geocities.com/pamirserai/ .

Interesting.
So starting from the Chapursan valley there is help to be found from Alam, from Chitral from Hindukush Trails ( http://www.hindukushtrails.com/ ), from Gilgit also, then of course from Imran and from Germany I suppose also from our user pakistanexpert.

phacops

Unregistered
07.03.2007, 16:24
Hi G'day mate!

Oh cool ya that is what i was looking for as well.
he is a good friend of mine.
but i have been away for long time did not contact him.
still on the road.
enjoy adventurous life.

CheersIman

maximus
18.03.2007, 14:03
Guys

Once upon a time the Bhort Ishkuman route to Boroghil was also fine enough but last year the porter rates have been screwed up from that end and I am afraid that will prevail. Some silly local TV programme was being shot in the Ishkuman valley and as it was one of those programmes that soft drinks and potato chis sponsor they were not sensetative to long term trekking interests of the region. make a buck today who cares for tomorrow attitude.... They threw money around and hired porters at 3 times the cost . What it has done is stopped trekking groups from that end ( similar case as Biafo to Hispar instead of Hispar to Biafo, Nanga Parbat region suffered in a similar way so did Batura. So this is what happens when people not concerned with tourism sensitivities come in with silly TV programmes. They also did this in the Chitral Gol region and BBC was hand and glove in this. It has taken years of good honest work by people like Imran, Steve and HKT and many to lay the foundation and build it up, it will take a day for other to blow the peace and tranquility of the region so expect porter arguments from the Ishkuman end. Thanks to this TV programe and their supporters.
Cheers

phacops
19.03.2007, 08:30
... the porter rates have been screwed up
...they were not sensetative to long term trekking interests of the region. make a buck today who cares for tomorrow attitude....
... What it has done is stopped trekking groups from that end ...


Hello maximus,

thanks for this info though its very disappointing for trekkers, intending to come to this part of Pakistan.
Which route to Boroghil is recommendable under this conditions?

OK - there are the routes into the Shimshal area, but the Boroghil trek is just one to dream of...

phacops

maximus
19.03.2007, 17:51
Hello phacops I will not say that I don’t recommend the Bhort Kurambar route , I was stating the present porter situation from that end to help out individual trekkers or groups. The Gujars at that end are difficult to handle and can leave you stranded. Best way to do the Boroghil or Chilinji is from the Chitral end for the following reasons. a. Porters are reasonable and friendly.b. The trek builds up wonderfully from Chitral end as it is not steep and you acclimatize gradually before you reach Kurambar.c. As you cross the Chataboi glacier to Sokhtarabad it gives you an option to either go down the valley to Pekin , Matramdas Bhort and Ishkuman or attempt the Chilinji pass to Biater Babagundi and down the Ishkuman valley.
All the best
Maximus

phacops
19.03.2007, 22:44
Hello Maximus,

the porter situation is of course importend to most trekkers. Only few will be carrying their hole gear over the weeks of this trek. And I also like to know the people of the region during the trek.
But prices double or three times as normal are scaring.
So its good to read, that also from Chitral the trek can be done at reasonable conditions.
Then the track is up to Lasht and the treks starts there?
For the glacier parts of the trek crampons are necessary, I suppose, although I´ve seen pictures of trekkers without adaquate gear. The porters are used to the conditions or get equipment too?

The TV program you mentioned, has it brought such an increase in trekking groups ?
I don´t hear of german trekkers doing this trek. Mostly there are french groups?

The Razetti pictures are really terrific , also that from John Mock from the Wakhan and they cry for trekking there....

phacops

maximus
20.03.2007, 08:21
Hello phacops
Jeep road is pushing up each year, when waters low in winters goes till Kishmanja and beyond but as it is still just a track and bridges roads get washed away frequently so plan to start at Lasht.

No crampons required on Chataboi.

Rezzitti pictures are all terrific……check out his Nepal ones, he has a nice book out on Nepal too and John Mock , I believe in his previous life was a Wakhi .

and phacops, I hibernate so at times expect slower response. Cheers
Maximus

imranthetrekker
20.03.2007, 12:20
Bonjour mes amis,


Roads're very bad in Yarkhoon lasht, because of the waters, and this year we should keep in our minds about the very harsh winters in the area of Chitral.

Last year, I'd minor troubles, hiring the porters from Bilhanz because the small bridge over the rivulet's washed away and later on, I'd to cross the cold rivulet and we did it but porters're asking more and I's not agree and the next morning, we're agree over a better rate.

Same trouble's with the porters from Yarkhoon but few years back, Sir Maqssod-ul-Mulk (Royal prince and MD of Hinbdukush trails) after nagotiations with the local heads in the area, came to a conclusion and now there's a fixed price, okay for both, guide and porters.

because of this trouble most of the tour operators in Pakistan,inbound and outbound'd changed their routes, so now you can make it and may be the people from AKRSP'll extend the road to Chikar village, as I spoke to a friend from the AKRSP and he told me that it's in their plans so let's hope for the best.




Je vous souhaite un voyage tres agreable,

Imran Schah

Mountain gods of Pakistan at
http://flickr.com/photos/imranthetrekker

imranthetrekker
20.03.2007, 12:25
maximus's right, for Chattiboi glacier, you don't need crampons but I'd highly recommend walking sticks, because of the glacier's angle at some slopes could be perilous.


Ciao,

phacops
20.03.2007, 13:34
Rezzitti pictures are all terrific……check out his Nepal ones, he has a nice book out on Nepal too and John Mock , I believe in his previous life was a Wakhi .

and phacops, I hibernate so at times expect slower response.

The Nepal book I have to look for...
... and J.Mock a Wakhi in previous life - thats very likely! ;)

Hibernating would be a good choice for me too - today winter has come back here with snow and temperatures below zero - brrrr...

(and any response even after weeks and months is appreciated - and thanks for mailing).

phacops

maximus
22.03.2007, 15:57
Ah Phacops …should the road go beyond Lasht ?…why should it??...... interesting….. I would like views on this. It’s a lovely unspoilt area and as the road goes further and further each year what will happen to the lovely Boroghil. If this was somewhere in Germany what would you guys do with it ?. Should it be declared a park ? What do you suggest Imran Schah

imranthetrekker
22.03.2007, 19:29
Bonsoir mes amis,

Yeah! you're right, I agree with you brother.

But the very difficult life of the population over there, especially in 2005,06, they'd seen graet disasters in winters in shape of excessive snow in Boroghil area, and the families suffered a lot.


If you ask me, I love to live in the unspoilt world, somewhere in the upper parts of Revalik, Romboor valley fo Kalash, that's my favorite part because of huge Cedar trees and excellent atmosphere.


But what to do mon ami?



Imran Schah

phacops
24.03.2007, 01:25
…should the road go beyond Lasht ?…why should it??...... interesting….. I would like views on this. It’s a lovely unspoilt area and as the road goes further and further each year what will happen to the lovely Boroghil. If this was somewhere in Germany what would you guys do with it ?. Should it be declared a park ?

hello maximus, hello all Pakistan trekkers,

the question of roadmaking, its necessity and benefits for development of remote areas is very ambivalent.
We had this discussion in the case of the nepalese road-project in the Kali Gandakhi valley from Beni to Jomson and further to Mustang and China ( http://trekkingforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2358&highlight=strasse+kali+gandaki) affecting the famous Annapurna-circuit-trek and again in the case of the road project around Holy Mount Kailash in Tibet.

When there is a benefit to the people of the region (like better accessability to hospitals, economic development ??), then there is no arguing against it - especially , when the people are demanding for it. Isn´t the AKRSP positiv to the road?
At the other hand, eco tourism and road building is contradictory and inconsistant.
Many tourists and me too dont like hiking along a road or jeep track. This is why I asked how far the track reaches.
I much more like to travel in an unspoiled area - many tourists like me prefer long distance treks over three weeks and more. This is why I started this thread.

I have been astonished, when I read some time ago about the tunnel under the Lowari pass and where have I tead the last days about a route, planned over (or under?) the Boroghil Pass to Tajikistan? This would spoil this unique and marvellous trek for all time. Ot is the planned route from Chitral to the north - west of Tirich Mir to Ishkashim?

In case of route planning over/under the Boroghil Pass, in Germany there would be at once a citizens´action committee to prevent the road. And at least, the building progress would put off quite effectfully.
There are of course also mountain lane projects to mountain pastures and alps, that are highly controversial. Sometimes there is an agreement to a compromise about construction width or surface mode.
Major new highway-projects sometimes meet european law: the so called FFH-areas, protectorates of flora-fauna-habitats , which are highly immune against interferences and impacts.

In an importand natural area with high ecological potential, the attempt of creating/demanding a wildlife park or sanctuary would be means of choice. But without support by the people living there, success is doubtful .

So how is the road project to Boroghil? Is it really in progress? Then I had to hurry up to do this trek before the road is finished :o .

phacops

phacops
27.03.2007, 23:16
So how is the road project to Boroghil? Is it really in progress? Then I had to hurry up to do this trek before the road is finished :o .

Because I do want to know more about this issue, I´ll start a separate thread.

phacops

maximus
28.03.2007, 07:15
Best to keep it in same thread as it concerns the trek
maximus

phacops
28.03.2007, 07:43
Best to keep it in same thread as it concerns the trek
maximus
Thanks - so we will stick here with this issue.

What are the details about the plan and the proceeding of the project?

phacops

imranthetrekker
30.03.2007, 23:09
Yeah! we better stick to the itinerary, that'd be much beneficial.

Ciao,

maximus
31.03.2007, 18:08
When I first trekked in the area in mid 80 there was hardly anyone there, it is still pristine. Kishmanja had only one house where Mateen lived, Ishkarwarz a few scattered huts hardly visible and Qui Quildi & lalai Rabot had three belonging to the Chief Mirza Rafi a lovely farsighted person. Wish he had lived on as he could have done much for the area. His young son is growing up fine and will contribute much to his area.

The population will increase over the years and with economic necessities and harsh winters naturally the demands for a road will be justified. That will take a while. But where others could help is first understand what the locals want, see how they feel and then share their views with any options they foresee.

When you look across from Ishkarwarz with lovely peaks on one side and the rolling pastures leading to Karambar lake at 4320m ….you feel like a horse on the prairie….Enjoy Boroghil while it is still there.

Maximus

maximus
02.04.2007, 12:32
More on "the road "…As we talk of how far the road has gone…..none exist where you could easily go till yesterday. Such are mountain roads in remote areas. Winter has once again set in ferociously with heavy snowfalls and rains. At the moment all roads as far as Chitral town are blocked with landslides and avalanches and bridges washed away with casualties in Torkhow, Tirich and Garamchasma valleys . The few larger villages around Chitral town where electricity was available cannot even find kerosene to light a lamp. We have gone back to the age old way of lighting torches with pine twigs….but these very trees have been shaved off the mountains…..economic necessities they say !

Maximus

phacops
04.04.2007, 00:13
Winter has once again set in ferociously with heavy snowfalls and rains. At the moment all roads as far as Chitral town are blocked with landslides and avalanches and bridges washed away with casualties in Torkhow, Tirich and Garamchasma valleys .
These are the elements. Really enormous. In summer these are hardly to imagine.
Stay healthy.
Have you felt the earthquake?

phacops

AndreasW
04.04.2007, 07:20
Sad times for Chitralis and their neighbours... :-/

http://www.chitralnews.com/LN603.htm
http://www.chitralnews.com/LN602.htm

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/nation/17019187.htm

We hope the best!
AndreasW

imranthetrekker
04.04.2007, 18:03
Salut mes amis,

Yeah! yeah 2007, as other parts of pakistan're enjoying the Srping season, too much water from the skies but as a matter of fact, Chitralis're still facing severe problems, due to avalanches, land slides and floods.

Many people've been killed and even some of the areas perished by the slides in the upper parts of Torikhow valley of Chitral.


Some of my realtions came today from Chitral and they told me the whole story of these disastrous rains and snow in Chitral.


May Allah bless them with patience.

Let me make a thing clear here that Lowari pass 3200 m to Chitral's still block due to snow and bad weather in the area.



I wish you nice travels,

Imran Schah
Adventures in Pakistan
http://flickr.com/photos/imranthetrekker

maximus
07.04.2007, 18:12
Ah Phacops …the earthquake, one gets used to the minor ones. The locals feel there are three of the kind .One shakes horizontally the other vertically, the third one goes absolutely crazy , up and down and sideways thats the one where you forget your neighbor, rush out and remember God. And yet when we walk on the Boroghil we forget how much we have to thank him for.

Maximus

phacops
12.04.2007, 01:42
…the earthquake, one gets used to the minor ones...

getting used to earthquakes - I dont hope for me.
But we know from such news very clearly (and its only a short notice in newspapers here) that we always face our kismet, whether on the trek or in the city or on the flight with PIA ... .
Weather in this winter will change of course traffic conditions to the Boroghil trek.
It gets a longer walk - fine - !

Have to look for companions...

phacops

Hopefully spring will soon arrive to the area and people manage the damages...

imranthetrekker
14.04.2007, 20:04
Salut mes amis,

Chitralis're great people, they're used to these disasters, like one in 2005, I was sleeping in my grand parents house in Ayun and that's very disastrous, because within seconds, we lost our houses, cattlesheds, everthing most of the people in Chitral.


But within weeks they rebuilt everything.


C'est la vie mon ami.


Imran Schah
Peshawar.

My adevntures in Pakistan
http://flickr.com/photos/imranthetrekker

maximus
24.04.2007, 19:07
Phacops

Companions you will find at the Boroghil festival, its another must on the itinerary

Maximus

imranthetrekker
25.04.2007, 13:23
Salut mes amis,

The Boroghil festival's from the 15th to 17th July.

An exciting adventure in the mountains of Hindukush and Hiduraj, so I welcome you there.




Bien venu Au Pakistan,


Imran Schah

My Adventures in Pakistan
http://flickr.com/photos/imranthetrekker

phacops
03.06.2007, 00:24
Hello maximus, hello Imran,

back after some weeks of trekking I´m curious to know more about the Boroghil festival.
It takes place every year same time?
At Boroghil pass or where?
Could you please write a bit more about the festival and its course?

So this year I can´t join it - lets hope for next year.

phacops

Edit:
OK - I´d better looked here: http://www.hindukushtrails.com/festivals/boroghil_festival.asp
and here: http://www.dawn.com/2006/06/27/nat26.htm
Further information possible?
ph.

AndreasW
04.06.2007, 07:55
The Japanese Alpin Club published interesting maps too - "MOUNTAINEERING MAPS OF KARAKORUM" & HINDU KUSH"
http://www.jac.or.jp/english/jan/vol1/NEW.pdf

http://www.mountain-bookshop.de/media/3144.jpg

Source and obtainable: http://www.mountain-bookshop.de/de/dept_1539.html

phacops
06.10.2007, 21:33
Hmm, auf der Suche nach Berichten über das festival bin ich nicht fündig geworden.

Nur ein Hinweis zur "Geschichte" des festivals findet sich hier:

http://www.dawn.com/2006/06/27/nat26.htm

phacops

edit: sorry for our english reading members: I found no report on the festival, only the hint in DAWN with a bit of history of the festival...

imranthetrekker
06.10.2007, 22:24
Salut mes ami,

Nice article by Zar Alam khan, unformtunately, I couldn't go to Boroghil this year, because I was in France for a while, when I got back in July, I'd to take to Wakhan Corridor, the situation took a strange change, both of them cancalled, then I left for Gondghoro la with a Swiss group, then another obstacle appeared, the crevasse, which didn't let us go across, so we made it to the base camps of K2, Broad peak and Munir camp of the la.

I'd been damn busy in covering the Kalash festivals and other parts of Chitral, North Pakistan, have a look at my photographs.


Bon Voyage,


Imran Schah
Mountain gods of Pakistan
http://flickr.com/photos/imranthetrekker/

phacops
06.10.2007, 23:19
Hello Imran,

nice to have you back here!
When you are in rance next time, tell us, perhaps we can meet :) .

Of what kind have been the obstacles with the Wakhan-treks? Would be really interesting (perhaps per PM).

So I think, winter is coming to the Hindukush soon and you will stay in Peshawar?

Have a good time!
Your photos I´ll check of course ;) .

phacops

maximus
07.10.2007, 18:19
The obstacle on the Wakhan/Boroghil Chapursan trek have been the route down the Kurambar Ishkoman, Chilinji is the same. The Chataboi, Wargut Pekin glaciers have come down on the route and crossing them becomes longer. After Sukhtarabad you have to climb up and down as there are hardly any traces of the old track. The boroghil is the same as last year if not quieter.Thanks for the info on the Japanese maps Andreas/ Peter M. hadn’t visited the forum for a while busy with gardening !, I have a Japanese mountaineer friend Dr Hirai Go that I helped explore the Wakhan in the nineties. He brought out a book on the area but its in Japanese an article came on the Japanese Alpine Club too, in case anyone is interested look up the name on the web , he did criss cross the area a number of times each year so it might be interesting.

All the best
Maximus

phacops
08.10.2007, 00:04
Also to Maximus: Welcome back after a hopefully busy season ;)

Thanks for your info on tha Chataboi glacier. Also in the Hindukush the melting of the glaciers is going on :-/ . The Chataboi used to be the main challenge on the trek and seems to stay like this.
Have there been any treks over this glacier? Will a trek be possible in next years? Or are some detours necessary?

Best wishes to you and your country!

phacops

maximus
10.10.2007, 10:40
Yes, there have been a few treks this year both on the Boroghil crossing Chataboi into Ishkuman and on the Chilinji. One of the groups has committed to help out with the pack animals donkeys that are used in the Kuramabar valley .
These glaciers and route down the Kurambar were easier to cross over as route remained more or less same but glaciers are shifting adding to longer time in crossing and detouring as route does not remain same each year .The glacier are still not difficult to cross , pack animals still use them and treks will carry on .
Its been less trekking and more gardening, yes that’s another plus with the villagers of the Hindukush.....flowers are their first love .

Maximus

phacops
21.10.2007, 22:23
Gardening - ah yes. Wonderful gardens I have seen. So in Minapim and also in Chitral ;)
2699

Here some Chitralis in the hotel garden. ;)

phacops

imranthetrekker
27.10.2007, 10:33
Salut mon ami,

phacops, is that Mountain Inn, Chitral?


Bon Voyage,

Imran Schah
Memories of Hindukush,Karakoram
http://flickr.com/photos/imranthetrekker/

phacops
31.10.2007, 22:29
Salut Imran,

you think, its Mountain Inn? ;)
Perhaps maximus knows? :-)
Some nice doors in the background! :D

phacops

maximus
11.11.2007, 14:59
Hi All

Yes thats the Mountain Inn. Under the tree in the middle there is a Kalash effigy. The tree on the left is a cherry tree .

Maximus

kamala
23.11.2007, 13:06
Does anybody know when the Boroghil festival takes place in 2008? Where is it exactly and what is it about?

Thanks
Annette

Ingrid
23.11.2007, 19:06
Maximus should know the exact dates for the upcoming years.
For 2007 it was July 15 - 17, according to their website Hindukush Trails. (http://www.hindukushtrails.com/festivals/boroghil_festival.asp)

Check also their descriptions of the other festivals in the region:
http://www.hindukushtrails.com/festivals/

Ingrid :-)

imranthetrekker
23.11.2007, 19:36
Bonsoir mon ami,

It's soon after the Shandoor Polo festival, so the dates're normally from the 15th to 17th of July, but I'm leaving within a week for Chitral so I'll confirm them for you, from the organisers of the festival.

Boroghil, as a matter of fact, a pastureland, a narrow part, we call it little pamir too. at the borders of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Tajikistan.


It's a an event with many activities like Yak polo, horse race, Buzkushi (a sport from central asia and Badakshan of Afghanistan), and it's held at a plateau, called Showar ser 3700 m, a camp after the trek from Karombar lake and pass.

When we make the trek of Wakhan corridor, when we cross the pass and lake of Karombar, we descend to Boroghil valley and after camping by the karombar lake, our next camp's Showar ser, where the festival's held.

I welcome your queries,


Imran Schah

Mountains of Pakistan
http://flickr.com/photos/imranthetrekker/

maximus
24.11.2007, 15:08
Imran , has describe the place correctly but actually bringing you in from the Iskhuman route.

I would prefer Chitral route for three good reasons.

1. To begin with you have a choice to start from two different routes either go up
the Shah Junali pass descending into boroghil or start from Mastuj and trek up
the Yarkhun valley. Both routes build up the trek wonderfully to reach the
festival venue for a nice break.

2. From Ishkuman side the route along the riverbed is now effected being washed
away, the going is tough with lots of ups and down trying to find a route, the
porters tougher to bargain with.

3. If not imran , you are bound to bump into nice duplicates.

The festival will be from 15 to 17 July , enjoy the chitral route.

Maximus

imranthetrekker
24.11.2007, 19:08
Bonsoir mes amis,

I agree, Chitral route through Taorkhow valley across Shah Junali pass and then into yarkhoon valley and to the festival at Showarser's is a better route.

Thanks for that Maximus.


Bon voyage,

Imran Schah

Pictures of Pakistan
http://flickr.com/photos/imranthetrekker/

Hunza
30.11.2007, 05:13
Pamir Time News!

Our Speical Corresponent
Addressing a joint meeting of Wakhi Tajik Cultural Association (WTCA) and Gulmit Orgnization for Local Development(GOLD) Agha Langar Shah, a Wakhani delegat, apealed to the government of Pakistan to open Wakhan link road via. Chipursan Valley in Gojal. Chief Executive of Northern Areas, Mr. Ghazanfar Ali Khan was cheif guest on the occasion.
Agha Langar Shah said that opening the link road would usher a new era of trade, commerce and tourism in the region. It would also help promotion of the common cultural heritage shared by the Wakhis residing on both sides of the Afghan border, he said.
Agha Langar represented the Wakhani delegation that visited different developmental projects in Gilgit - Baltistan. WTCA and GOLD had organized a cultural show in honor of the visiting Wakhani delegation here in Gulmit.

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AndreasW
30.11.2007, 07:49
Pamir Time News!

Our Speical Corresponent
Addressing a joint meeting of Wakhi Tajik Cultural Association (WTCA) and Gulmit Orgnization for Local Development(GOLD) Agha Langar Shah, a Wakhani delegat, apealed to the government of Pakistan to open Wakhan link road via. Chipursan Valley in Gojal. Chief Executive of Northern Areas, Mr. Ghazanfar Ali Khan was cheif guest on the occasion.
Agha Langar Shah said that opening the link road would usher a new era of trade, commerce and tourism in the region. It would also help promotion of the common cultural heritage shared by the Wakhis residing on both sides of the Afghan border, he said.
Agha Langar represented the Wakhani delegation that visited different developmental projects in Gilgit - Baltistan. WTCA and GOLD had organized a cultural show in honor of the visiting Wakhani delegation here in Gulmit.

Entry Filed under: Culture (http://wordpress.com/tag/culture/), Development (http://wordpress.com/tag/development/), Gojal (http://wordpress.com/tag/gojal/), Pakistan (http://wordpress.com/tag/pakistan/), WAKHAN (http://wordpress.com/tag/wakhan/). .
Via "Irshad Uween".... :confused: The Chitral-Tajikistan-Road (http://ismailimail.wordpress.com/2006/11/22/chitral-tajikistan-road-hopes-rekindled/) is also planed!
We should hurry up...

AndreasW

phacops
02.12.2007, 21:17
Via "Irshad Uween".... :confused: The Chitral-Tajikistan-Road (http://ismailimail.wordpress.com/2006/11/22/chitral-tajikistan-road-hopes-rekindled/) is also planed!
We should hurry up...


Via Irshad Uween I can´t imagine.
The Chitral-Taj.-road is the one mentioned by Maximus in earlier posts.
Lets hope not over Boroghil... :confused: .
J. Mock is approving a road link from Chitral to Zebak (over Dorah Pass/Shah Salim Pass - don´t know where this pass is located?) .

Hurry up? Oh yes! ;) . Lets see... :D

phacops

Btw, anyone heard about a Wakhi festival called "chinir" in the beginning of August?

imranthetrekker
02.12.2007, 21:32
Salut mes amis,

It's from Dorah pass and Shah Salim of Badakhshan province of Afghanistan not through Boroghil and it'll enter Chitral from Garam Chashma (Hotspring valley) almost 1.5 hr drive from Chitral town.

Dorah pass' approached from Garam Chashma.

Ciao,

Imran Schah

Mountains of Pakistan
http://flickr.com/photos/imranthetrekker/

phacops
02.12.2007, 21:51
Ah - yes - now I see. Thanks Imran!!!

You are in Peshawar or in Chitral?
How is the winter nowadays?

Some days ago I watched your photos at flickr... marvellous!

Stay fine!

phacops

imranthetrekker
04.12.2007, 20:13
Hi Phacops,

I'm here in Peshawar, It's cold these days, after 2 days rains in N.W.F.P, snowfall over the mountains, turned the weather into very chilly days and nights.

Thanks for the appericiation, though I'm still very naiive at photography, but I'm trying to change the image of my country through the images of the mountains, whatever I feel could help me, I do.

I've some trouble uploading my picture in the profile, I don't know how to manage it?

Ciao,

Imran Schah

Pakistan, the great country
http://flickr.com/photos/imranthetrekker/

maximus
16.12.2007, 17:15
Ah the road to Tajikastan ……..if the link up is at Ishkashim then via Irshad Uwin is like circling your head to catch your ear. Because Ishkashim is much closer to Dorah pass than to Irshad Uwin. The road over Dorah which was jeepable a few years back is blocked out due to slides but all this can be cleared very easily by a tractor not a bulldozer. The terrain is soft soil at most places. I went across two year back on a trout fishing trip ( that’s a long story as a fishermans tale goes ). Anyway with Lowari tunnel being bored through by 2008 and another 2 years before opening, Pakistan government is keen for an alternate routes than the Karakorum Highway.

I am in the Hindukush where it’s a dry winter so far . Just a powder of snow on the peaks though I heard Kabul did get plenty of snow. The Kalash Chitarmas festival is on so hopefully a Kalash prayer will be answered as we good muslims seemed to have sinned in emergency.

Maximus

AndreasW
16.12.2007, 18:08
Ah the road to Tajikastan ……..if the link up is at Ishkashim then via Irshad Uwin is like circling your head to catch your ear. Because Ishkashim is much closer to Dorah pass than to Irshad Uwin.

Maximus :D :D :D... closer to Chitral, yes... but this man appealed to open Wakhan link road to Chapursan valley (Gojal)... :roll: There isn't another way as: Sarhad-E-Boroghil... Irshad Uween... Baba Ghundi Ziarat?
Pamir Time News!

Our Speical Corresponent
Addressing a joint meeting of Wakhi Tajik Cultural Association (WTCA) and Gulmit Orgnization for Local Development(GOLD) Agha Langar Shah, a Wakhani delegat, apealed to the government of Pakistan to open Wakhan link road via. Chipursan Valley in Gojal. Chief Executive of Northern Areas, Mr. Ghazanfar Ali Khan was cheif guest on the occasion.
Agha Langar Shah said that opening the link road would usher a new era of trade, commerce and tourism in the region. It would also help promotion of the common cultural heritage shared by the Wakhis residing on both sides of the Afghan border, he said. Good luck without "Pakistan emergency declaration" again!

AndreasW

imranthetrekker
16.12.2007, 18:23
Salut mes amis,

The state of emergency's come to an end now, we're moving towards elections, I don't know whom to vote, because same faces, same political parties, corrupt :D , judiciary's still under the house arrest but hope for the betterment's till there.

I'm here in Islamabad, tomorrow back to Peshawar, Tuesday traveling towards Chitral.

Da Khudai pa aman.

Imran Schah

Mountain gods of Pakistan
http://www.flickr.com/photos/imranthetrekker/

Hunza
19.12.2007, 11:04
G'day all,

Hope all of you are having great time...i post about the Chinir festival last time but i did not see it appears in the there any way i am sending you the link again.

i am a Wakhi from upper hunza we celbrate the Chinir festival same as the Wakhi's in Wakhan.
so please find the details below.
http://www.gojal.net/festives_agricultural_chinir.htm

I wish you all have a Merry Xmas and Happy New year.

Cheers Iman

phacops
19.12.2007, 23:51
Ahhh - thanks for the link, Iman! Very interesting site, not only for festivals. :-)

phacops

maximus
20.12.2007, 13:30
Route into Wakhan , Tajikastan

Yes with the Wakhi link in Gojal the Chapursan route should open too , why not….There are numerous passes opening up into Wakhan through Chapursan , Boroghil, , Shah Junali, Ziwar, Arkari and Dorah with each having its cultural links . All these are convenient to enter different regions that they link with. While thinking of a practical route from Pakistan into Wakhan and Tajikastan the following would naturally come into consideration . Shortest possible, convenience in construction , alternate route to the KKH . These to have both Pakistans trade and strategic links open with other countries at all times. Keeping this in mind the Dorah route into Wakhan and Tajikastan seems more suitable for all purposes if one is likely to be opened.

Maximus

lextoindia
22.11.2011, 00:25
Lots of good information in this thread, but sadly 4 years old. What is the current status of boarder crossing between Pakistan and Wakhan Valley? Especially Boroghil pass.

Is anyone familiar with Kalandar Pass?

maximus
22.11.2011, 15:21
Border crossing is more strick than before meaning any one nearing the border is suspiciously looked at by officials who are alert to it. No permission is given to use these routes. Trekking otherwise within the border is allowed through government Licensed trekking agencies. We ran a couple of treks here in 2011. Kalandar Owin is what maybe you are mentioning in the Chapursan area.
Maximus

lextoindia
23.11.2011, 14:17
Well, that is bad news for me but thank you very much for the information.

Do you think there are any trekking companies that would consider doing a trip to Karambar Lake in the winter? Suggest alternate routes from Afgan Pamir to India?